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"What is worth living for? Life itself is worth living for! If you're not living the life that you want, you fight for that life.” — Jensen Ackles
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If Dean had apologized to Cas only for being angry and cold, I would’ve been able to stomach it. I’d have hated it, but I know Dean always ends up apologizing even when he has nothing to apologize for, and nobody else apologizes to him or shows any understanding or validation for his perspective. This time, thanks to Jensen, we even had a warning about the prayer, so we knew to brace ourselves for it. I was ready to just bite the bullet and let it be.

But they went and outright made Dean say he was wrong. They had Cas show absolutely no remorse (the “I know you’re sorry about mom” / “I was talking about Jack” exchange was a slap to Dean’s face), no understanding for Dean’s side of things, no acknowledgment of Dean’s pain and loss. And of course, no apology, because Cas is only ever the victim, completely blameless. (Bringing up the mess he made as Godstiel is just a cover-up of the whitewashing of his far more recent screw-ups.)

I sort of hate that Jensen acted his heart out during that scene, because such awful writing doesn’t deserve his talent. I almost wish he’d phoned it in.

There were several things I disliked about this conflict and this hits on many of them. I will note that Castiel did apologize for Mary (or tried).

14.18: “I was scared. I believed in Jack for so long, I… I believed that he was – he was good. I – I knew that he would be good for the world. And he was good for us. My faith in him, it – it never wavered, and then I-I saw what he did. It wasn’t malice. It wasn’t evil. It was like Jack saw a problem, and in his mind, he just solved it with that snake… What he did wasn’t bad. It was the absence of good. And I saw that in him. But we were a family, and I didn’t want to lose that, so I thought I could… fix it on my own. Felt like it was my responsibility. So I left. And I didn’t tell you. If I could go back and just – just talk to him right then and there, I would. But I can’t, Dean. I failed you. And I failed Jack. And I failed –” Dean cuts him off.

15.02: “Dean, I recognize that I dropped the [ball]. I didn’t tell you about Jack, and then after what happened with your mother…” Dean cuts him off.

In 15.09, right after saying “I was talking about Jack”, Castiel says, “I already apologized to you. You just refused to hear it.”

I’d like to think what they were trying to get across was that Castiel resented Dean taking his anger out at him after he already apologized. Cas did refer to his earlier apologies being cut off with seeming frustration. Then he said that he left because Dean couldn’t forgive him, not because “I didn’t do anything wrong.”

In Dean’s prayer, he apologizes, but I don’t think he’s apologizing for blaming Castiel. I think he’s apologizing for refusing to hear his apologies and “letting” Cas leave (though that is another “blame game” I’m not super happy with). After all, Dean also says “Of course I forgive you”, which suggests there was something Cas needed to be forgiven for. He isn’t saying Cas never did anything wrong, but he is forgiving him. 

The whole making up thing didn’t come off super great though. During the scene while following the Leviathan, Cas’s, “I was talking about Jack” line comes off as if, after apologizing to Dean about Mary, Castiel considered the matter closed and lost all sense of personal regret over what happened to her. Given his continued guilt over Jack himself while his guilt over Mary has seemingly been dropped, this would suggest that Mary herself didn’t really matter to Castiel, only how her death affected his relationship with Dean. Jack on the other hand, still matters. I don’t think that was the intended message (I don’t think the writers intentionally want to make it seem as if Mary meant nothing to Cas), but it was an unfortunate result of how the conversation was written. In other words, a mess writing-wise.

What mainly makes it all so disappointing for me, is that this whole conflict as presented in 15.09 misses a very obvious character flaw that I have been hoping would be resolved in Castiel for a long time. Namely, keeping things away from Sam and Dean so he can handle things on his own, then having those things blow up in his face. It’s Castiel’s signature move. He always apologizes after. He’s always sorry. But his behavior doesn’t change, which is a colossal problem that I really can’t deal with anymore. The episode making mention of the Leviathan glosses over several far more recent examples of Castiel’s incredibly broken “I have to do it all on my own” mentality, and that mentality itself, which seems to be a defining component of Cas’ storyline almost ever season, needs to be dealt with. It should have been dealt with a long time ago. Recent examples:

Season 10: Cas (along with Sam) lied about the Book of the Damned. 

Season 11: He let Lucifer out of The Cage without giving Sam and Dean any say so. 

Season 12: He refused to answer the phone for weeks, came to Dean’s room to apologize, but it was all a lie. He just wanted to steal The Colt so he could go and kill Kelly and Jack. If he’d stuck around, he would have found out Sam and Dean had a plan to save both Kelly and Jack, but he didn’t stick around, and when they tried to call him, he again ignored their calls. After Castiel became convinced to ensure Jack’s birth rather than stop it, he again refused to even try and include Sam and Dean, instead knocking them both unconscious. 

Season 13: Worked with Lucifer, lied to Dean about it.

Season 14: Kept his feelings that Jack shouldn’t be alone with anyone to himself, and also made a deal with The Empty for Jack’s soul that he’s still lying about.

Within this pattern of behavior, Dean has every right to be upset. But for some reason, this very obvious PATTERN of incredibly broken behavior is just ignored by the narrative and then perpetuated by Cas every season. It makes Cas look incredibly careless and not truly sorry. It also makes him hypocritical at points. For example, in 14.12 when he chastises Dean for his “suicidal” plan to stop Michael while hiding the deal he’s already made for Jack’s soul. Or when he chastised Sam and Dean for going behind his back and wanting to put Jack in the mal’ak box, only to go by himself (behind Sam and Dean’s backs) the very next episode to enquire about the possibility of putting Jack in The Cage. Just this episode, Castiel treated Dean like a moron for suggesting they split up in Purgatory. The first thing Castiel did the last time he and Dean landed in Purgatory was abandon Dean to an entire pack of gorilla wolves, because he believed they were safer seperated. But now Dean is a moron for suggesting maybe they should split up since they’re on a time table and Sam is, you know, being tortured. Cas saying essentially, with an eye roll, “Well obviously we’ll both just end up dead if we’re seperated” shows a truly astounding lack of self-awareness over his past behavior patterns. With the whole matter at the beginning of the episode, when Dean wanted to go after Sam, I can’t help but also feel that if it had been Jack at stake, Castiel wouldn’t have been so quick to label the emotional desire to mount an immediate rescue, “stupid”. 

Perhaps I’m off here, but I also don’t like Castiel saying that him leaving is Dean’s fault because “You should have stopped me”. It shows a potential strategy on Cas’ end that’s quite childish. Castiel didn’t get forgiveness in the time frame that he wanted, so he tried to force one with an ultimatum (forgive me or I’m leaving). As framed in 15.03, that wasn’t necessarily his game, and I wouldn’t have been against Castiel leaving for a while if he just thought that was what was best, because both parties needed to cool off. Dean was indeed angry and the relationship between the two was tense. To leave was fine. But 15.09 gives us a different insight into Cas reason for leaving, since he says Dean could have stopped him. This makes it look as if, when he left, Cas intended to leverage his presence or lack thereof to get forgiveness. Him choosing to ignore Sam’s calls after leaving reinforces that this was his strategy. By punishing Sam through shunning, Cas further reinforces that leaving was about trying to hurt the brothers to force an apology from Dean that Dean wasn’t ready to give yet.

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Precisely this.  I could absolutely deal with Dean apologizing for being angry beyond the point of being able to talk.  I could maybe even deal with Dean apologizing for being wrong even though he wasn’t.  It would hardly be the first time he’s apologized to smooth things over. 

The dealbreaker is how the narrative bizarrely tries to act like Castiel is some innocent victim.  Again, we’re talking about the angel older than humanity that consistently chooses to not only fail to trust, but occasionally outright betray, his supposed friends.  They can insert a few words about being sorry or regretful in his mouth, but when he’s just going to go behind their backs, lie, abandon them in danger, or whatever yet again in an episode or two?  Any verbal expression of remorse is nigh impossible to see as anything more than empty words so long as he never even tries to change his behavior.  And you know what, considering how the angels in general seemed to just keep trying to follow the same behavior patterns of finding a new leader and then killing each other ‘til they were nearly extinct over and over?  I don’t necessarily expect him to be great at trying to learn, but when neither he, nor the writers, are willing to address that Castiel’s choices here were part of a consistent, long-standing pattern of behavior and not some momentary isolated misjudgement?  Well, personally, I ran out of sympathy quite a few miles back.

When you add on top of it how much of a self-centered child he was written as early this season, prioritizing his grief over not only the Winchesters’ own, but over trying to save the world?  Then on top of that add this further nonsense where it does very much come off like he felt he was entitled not only to be forgiven period, but to be forgiven on his personal timetable for it?  Someone who was truly sorry would have some awareness that no one is owed forgiveness, and most big things, like, oh, say the umpteenth failure to communicate leading to someone’s mother’s death?  Well, that sure isn’t automatically going to be forgivable within a couple days.

It’d be one thing if having Dean call Castiel their best friend over and over again was meant to be a depressing commentary on how paltry the choice of available friends is that Dean has to keep soothing the ego of the bumbling woobie asshole the character has been reduced to.  I certainly don’t get the impression that’s what these writers think they’re writing, though.

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long rant ahead, and this is something that’s been brewing in my head for a long time but the latest episode was the last straw. 

i just feel that Castiel has, over the last few seasons, become more and more of a writers pet (especially Beren’s) and that the writers’ bias towards him has managed to destroy him as a character.  

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Thanks for this post. Given how much you used to love Cas, I know this was difficult for you to write. 

I agree with so many of your points.  After I’d finished watching last week, I suddenly realized Cas has essentially morphed into earlier seasons Sam. There are the same type of personal jabs, the same pissiness (”I was talking about Jack” was really callous), the same sort of guilt tripping, and the use of leaving as a weapon, knowing Dean has abandonment issues.  And which is ironic since the reason many Dean fans were drawn to Cas in S4 was because he was kind and respectful at a time when Sam was being cruel to Dean. Not so much anymore. 

The prayer would have been easier to swallow if it had been earned and the apology reciprocated. A simple “I heard your prayer, Dean. I’ve made a lot of mistakes that hurt you and I’m sorry too” would have leveled the playing field. But as you brought up, the Dabb-era writers have framed Cas as this fragile flower woobie who never ‘really’ has to atone for his mistakes. Stealing from Dean, lying,constantly taking off, betraying the brothers and even zapping them unconscious…..well, he meant well so everyone needs to just forgive him and move on. 

Which I actually had been willing to do until last season. But the way Cas threw all his love and devotion behind Jack, someone he barely knew, even if it meant destroying his 10 year relationship with Dean…..that was just too much. For me, the last straw wasn’t even withholding the info about Jack. It was how he sided with Mary’s killer while barely acknowledging Dean’s grief. It was his horror and outrage over Dean’s plan to use the Equalizer on Jack but without even a token protest that Dean would die as well. That’s when I realized Jack had replaced Dean has the most important person in Cas’ life (even Dabb said Cas’ strongest bond was with Jack.) And I’m sure, once Jack returns, Dean will again be relegated to the back burner so Cas can go back revolving around his “son.” 

Which makes the prayer scene all the more heartbreaking. I feel like the relationship has become seriously lopsided, with Dean doing all the heavy lifting while Cas obsesses over Jack. I know some fans believe Cas’ apology will come at a later date but seriously, when has the show ever revisited this sort of thing once Dean’s grovelled and made amends? To me, Dabb saying it’s not over just means finding more ways to humble Dean and criticize his character. But at least the show is winding down so Dabb & Berens’ dislike of Dean won’t carry on into any more seasons.

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